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Kommentare zu: Google-Wikipedia-Connection and the decay of academia http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/ Das Weblog von Jakob Voß Sat, 03 Apr 2021 21:17:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.17 Von: jakob http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-288464 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:17:44 +0000 http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/#comment-288464 When doing research, both Wikipedia and Google are only tools. Very valuable tools, but you still have to know how to use them. In my experience a very good way to train research is detecting errors, gaps, and bias in Wikipedia articles and improving them. People should get degrees for this work. When people blame the ease of doing bad research with Google, Wikipedia etc. or the change to e-publishing, it reminds me at Plato complaining about the invention of writing. Sure writing has some disadvantages, so have Google and Wikipedia. But the benefits are worth the loss.

Von: Stephen Restern http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-288429 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:47:30 +0000 http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/#comment-288429 I agree with both authors but I can clearly state that intelligence is trained by research and this is the purpose of the university: to sharp your expertise skills. Today, many claim that staying in front of a computer and searching on google/wikipedia is all you need to surpass a degree. Others say that you don’t even need a degree to cope in the world of today. However, there is a little confusion here, in the sense that some uneducated people become frustrated by lacking the skills others have obtained by hard work. I totally agree that there are many intelligent people without a degree on this planet, but if you take a closer look, no evolution is shaping out without scientific academia, which is the basis of our development. And, to those that believe a degree is not an asset, I must let you know that every good scientist has proper education. The fact that google comes today and combines information together with encyclopaedic sites such wikipedia is not an asset in human development, but just a meaningful hand for the lazy bones. Moreover, the connection tries to redefine history according to western doctrines, which in many cases can be seen clearly when reading various pre-existing history files that have been ‚re-shaped‘ by wikipedia and marketed by google. Thus, merely use google to find quick information (street maps, contact details, quick research on organisations etc.) BUT never use it as a source of everything, since information provided is mostly manipulated and you will become not only their messager, but also their slave. Peace on Earth and all best to all of you!

Von: Milwaukee SEO http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-177955 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:38:30 +0000 http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/#comment-177955 Back in elementary school 30 years ago, I remember being told to create research papers without the use of an encyclopedia, and that our papers would be given poorer grades if it was discovered that we did. While an encyclopedia, even Wikipedia, offer great generalized content, they certainly do offer a lazy way to conduct research. I’ve found many instances of excellent Web resources who refuted topics or questions the accuracy of information found in Wikipedia.

Von: InfoWissBlog Saarbrücken http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-21420 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:31:48 +0000 http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/#comment-21420 Wikipedia, Wikipedia…

Im Moment ist die Wikipedia ja mal wieder in aller Munde:
Zum einen durch die “Vergleichstudie” des Stern in der die schon bekannte Tatsache bestätigt wird (cf. den Artikel des leider schon verstorbenen Roy Rosenzweig oder auch den Artike…

Von: AndreasPraefcke http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-21055 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:09:29 +0000 http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/#comment-21055 „Everybody can type a word or a phrase into a search engine“ is a classical mistake: while both public opinion and search engine marketing suggest that this is true, it’s simply not.

Knowing how to search is still crucial, and I bet I can produce much better Google results to virtually any given question than someone without much experience in googling: by knowing which terms to search, which phrases to use, what to exclude, etc.

Next, an experienced researcher would know which search engines to use (or at least, which Google parts will be of help: Google Book Search or even Google Maps are often very helpful). Besides, everyone writing about search engines should at least have heard of the term „deep web“.

Taking all that into account, it’s clear that not everybody can type a word into a search engine and produce a paper any more than one could produce a paper from looking a key term up in a printed encyclopedia (or library catalouge, for that). The situation is very similar to different levels if traditional researching capabilities. I venture a guess that Maurer simply does not know how to do a web search well enough to see that.

Von: Lambert http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-20907 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:30:58 +0000 http://jakoblog.de/2007/12/10/google-wikipedia-connection-and-the-decay-of-academia/#comment-20907 Hi Jakob, thank you for this fine article, which I agree on in great parts! Perhaps except for the last paragraph: I think you underestimate the culture of personal authorship in academia.
I want to expand on this, and why I think this is important to us.
Most authors want and (at least until today) depend on being the single accountable person for what they have written, identifiable by their name. It’s really great to see that Wikipedia grew so far despite this fact, and perhaps this is not at least because of Wikipedia’s proven ability to grow an own culture of debate, mutual review, accountability through use of real names or pseudonyms and so on. But obviously, a whole lot of authors still feel uncomfortable writing in a public wiki, where virtually anyone anytime may alter their text. They simply don’t want to be contributors to a collective work result, even if such a result would be better than their own one, and even if their own contributions can be clearly identified. Maybe sometimes there will be a greater transition away from this culture, but I think in the meantime we have to deal with it. By which I mean that we, as librarians, will have to support single authors (and closed groups of authors) with tools and strategies to create and to provide their own works to the community.
Btw: Your weblog is a nice example that those single-author-tools and -strategies work, and that they have their meaningful place in the web’s communication landscape.